Cosmicmater, replied to our reply on the National Health Care issue. The entire responses are below, The original response is in black, Cosmicmater is in Red and ours is in bold blue and off set by <>.
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Dear Cosmicmater...we have no problem publishing your rant.
[FINE…let us dissect this rubbish, line for line, with FACTS, and we’ll see if this gets published. My words will be in these brackets.]
Yes our health care system needs adjusting, but it is far better than any health care system around the world. You do not fix a health care system by allowing Government to run it and control it, nationalized health care is not the answer!
[HERE’S A FACT: Every first-world nation has a government managed national health insurance system except the U.S., and they ALL have longer life expectancies, they ALL have lower infant mortality rates, and they ALL have better overall health…just what shining example do you have? Please provide a FACT to support you subjective statements. Our system doesn’t need fixing. It never worked right from the beginning. It has always been about making money by collecting premiums and denying service.
By the way, one other sneaky trick you pull is to use the words National Health Care. It is National Health Insurance (NHI), NOT Care. The hospitals and doctors and so on, will not be run by the Government. NHI means there will be only one insurance payer, NOT beholden to stock holders, not denying care for profits, and not paying off unimaginable CEO salaries, but rather beholden to the people it serves.
Imagine that; health insurance that isn’t concerned with making money and is only concerned with keeping the public healthy, on ALL of our dimes, not just yours.
HERE’S A FACT: Mathematically, spreading the risk across the entire population is the fastest way to lowest cost health care possible.]
You immediately assume because a country may or may not have a government run health care/insurance plan they have a longer life expectancy than
It may be a fact that it would provide lower costs to spread the expenses across the entire population, but once again, you have it stuck in your mind that it is my responsibility to cover someone else’s health expenses through my tax dollars, which will increase to cover such a program. That is anti-capitalism and yes, it is a socialist program…socialism is the redistribution of wealth to all people…study Karl Marx and Marxism…he was a big advocate of such practices.>
This is only one of many illustrations that we can give towards the nightmares of nationalized health care.
[HERE’S A FACT: Friends of a 15-year-old boy who had been shot in the abdomen dragged him into an alley next to
Your example was simply a mistake.
Mistakes happen. My Mother died in an American hospital because of a mistake. I did NOT sue, because though it was a mistake, it was unavoidable.
YOU have only mistakes to offer, and our system is just as rampant with mistakes as any, NHI or not.
What I present are intentional incidents, where healthcare is denied with forethought. That DOES NOT happen in NHI systems.
It seems you agree that this kid’s life was only worth $40,000, and since the hospital and the insurance company would have had to spend 2 to 3 times more than $40K to save this kid, it was well worth just paying the fine.
You make an intentionally false argument. Prove we have fewer mistakes than NHI systems. Prove our profit driven system NEVER lets people die to save money. Prove that NHI systems DO let people die to save money. Give us some numbers; give us anything besides mistakes that are made here as well as in NHI systems.
I’ve personally sat in waiting rooms for hours, bleeding, waiting for pre-approvals from my insurance. DO NOT offer long lines as an excuse.
I have also waited months to see specialists in our fabulous system. Spare us the lie about ‘no choice’ of doctors. In NHI systems, ALL the doctors are in it. You can go to whomever you want, including a specialist, often without referrals.
You should be ashamed. Providing non sequiturs (logical fallacies) is identical to lying.]
Why did the hospital refuse treatment? Was it the hospital or his insurance? Did he have insurance? Did the hospital refuse treatment or did the insurance company? Was the hospital sued for their actions? How about the insurance company? You were there to see all of this first hand? You are not just repeating someone’s hatred and hurt from the loss of a loved one or friend, where stories may not be accurate?
Your story doesn’t add up to me. It is against the law (federal law, not state law) that treatment cannot be denied. I seriously doubt the federal fine was $40,000 when the refused treatment led to death. If this happened as you say, I agree with you that more should have been done and this kids life was worth a whole lot more than $40,000 and I believe a court would feel so if a suit was brought against them, so why has it not been? Maybe there is more than you are saying?
I will fill up my blog with numbers when you can give accurate numbers to defend your so called FACTS. Remember it was you that lashed out at my post, not me. You disagreed with the post, so don’t expect me to blindly follow your argument just because you preference it with “FACT!”
I don’t know what system you are going to or a part of, but I nor anyone I know has ever dealt with anything you are talking about, so it is either totally a lie to ‘try and not be wrong’ or you are going to a horrible health care system.
I know several people that have insurance through the military and yes, they are only allowed to do what the government allows. 2 friends of my wife almost lost babies because the doctors would not induce the pregnancy when their terms went long. The doctors only did what they were required to do and nothing more and nothing less…they had no worries about losing a patient, gaining patients, or getting in trouble if the babies had died, they were protected by the government who knows nothing about health care, yet they tell the doctors what to do.
Government cannot run social programs. They cannot run health care programs. Look at the Walter Reed situation.>
You do not increase the quality of care and you do not increase innovation and discovery through taking competition out of the market and by penalizing capitalism.
[Really?
HERE’S A FACT: Our fire departments are government run, and I don’t see any competition from capitalist-run fire departments, yet, when it comes to innovation, we have advances in fire prevention, fire management, fire equipment and fire stopping nearly everyday…the same with Poilce, with sewers, with roads and bridges, the military, and so-on. Where does this innovation come from?
Well, if you invent a really cool fire fighting something-thingy that will make it easier to save property and lives; there are government-run fire departments everywhere.
With big markets there will always be innovation, regardless of whether the government is the market or not.
Capitalism has NEVER been the only source of innovation; it has NEVER even been the biggest source of innovation.]
<Fire Departments, Police Departments are all run locally and on the state level. The federal government does not fund or control these entities. Now you have proven your ignorance without a shadow of a doubt!
When the local and state governments run these systems the people have more say and more control. It is easier for a local body of people to vote their representatives (mayor, governor, state legislators) out of office if they do not keep the quality of these programs up to par.
Capitalism is the backbone and the driving force of this nation. If you do not like that, there are opportunities to live in another country, possibly one of these that have a Nationalized Health Care System. Your arguments are baseless, untrue, misleading, and deceptive!>
You do not motivate doctors and scientist to achieve new things and to be the best and provide the best that they can by controlling their income and their workloads.
[Oh Boy! You wrote this drivel? This is EXACTLY what the insurance companies do; they tell doctors EXACTLY how much they will be paid. They tell doctors EXACTLY what work they can and cannot do.
They add more paper work for doctors, more filings for doctors,more office expenses for doctors, more begging by doctors to be allowed to do what they know is right for their patients. And that’s for each and every single patient in this country!]
In FACT, my wife recently had to receive a specific medicine in larger amounts than the insurance pre-authorizes due to overdoses, abuse, etc. With a simple call the doctor had her authorized to receive as much as she needed, no questions asked, no hassles, no problems. That is a real life example and experience where you are wrong!>
Doctors do not need the government to be their personal managers.
[Now this is just a lie. HERE’S A FACT: In all the advanced nations, their NHI systems do NOT manage the doctor’s decisions. THEY DO NOT DO THAT and you know it, which gives it the lie.
“When it comes to medical innovation, the
In the NHI systems you hate, Doctor’s decide, order, and do…they DO NOT ask for permission from anyone, NHI or otherwise.
All of these doctors report excellent pay and bonuses. They are rewarded with bonuses when they can prove they have improved your health, when they show they have lowered your cholesterol, when they get you to quit smoking, when help you loose weight, when they improve your cardio-vascular, and so on. Imagine that…a doctor doing nothing but doctoring, and being rewarded for how much good he does for you, instead of how much treatment he can deny you.
BY THE WAY…we’re still waiting for so much as a single FACT that proves our high costs, under-insured, denial, slow-death-wealth-extraction system is better.]
Apparently you have not researched too much if you feel people will not be denied treatment through a government controlled system. In fact here is a couple of quotes from a recent article in the Telegraph from the
“Patients could be required to stop smoking, take exercise or lose weight before they can be treated on the National Health Service, Gordon Brown has suggested…In a New Year message to NHS staff, the Prime Minister indicates people may have to fulfil new "responsibilities" in order to establish their entitlement to care…The new conditions could be set out in a formal NHS "constitution", Mr Brown says.”
From the Telegraph.co.uk – Hmmm…I wonder if it is getting a little expensive for them? Preparing to deny coverage for smoker and overweight people>
Your arguments are way off base, especially with the illustration about watching my mother choke, it really did not prove your point well, because your point is not accurate either. Since when is it a right that every individual have health insurance provided to them, on someone else's dime?
[HERE’S A FACT: “…the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…” …just a little socialist quote from the Constitution. In this we find the rights to equal protection is due each of us from the police, the fire department, the water department, the sewage folks, the right to be minimally educated, to be treated equally on the job…why do you insist that only health insurance is different and should be reserved for the privileged, the fortunately employed, and the usually healthy?]
Here it is in more context: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life,
It is already a law that every individual is to be treated. Health care is also provided for those who cannot afford it through systems such as Medicaid and Medicare,…
[Yessirree! "The sad truth is that it’s cheaper for a hospital to break the law and pay a fine than to treat an uninsured patient," Wolfe said. "Hospitals know that the risk of getting caught is low, and even if they are caught, the risk of being fined is even lower and the fines are minuscule compared to hospitals’ operating budgets." Dr. Sidney Wolfe, director of Public Citizen’s Health Research Group.
So, now you’ll say these guys are just liberal wing-nuts, but you are the one saying you wouldn’t want a single dime of yours wasted on saving someone else. What kind of nut is that; Republican?
Aren’t Republican values getting Americans killed all over this planet, as well as here?
When will we have had enough of the greed and intolerance the Republican values represent?
When will be ashamed of what we are becoming? When will we be the nation our forefathers designed?]
…though those are not perfect systems they are far better than what Nationalized health care will give us.
[HERE’S A FACT: Medicaid and Medicare are a Nationalized Health Insurance System. And, it is far better than any of the privatized systems.
Unfortunately, part of the Medicaid and Medicare system is based on the same fear structures used in HMO’s, the part where they are terrified somebody deemed undeserving might get something for free, without concern for whether or not it is actually needed or even life saving.
Why? Because people like you scream every time their dime is spent helping somebody else; but go blow up an Iraqi family…right?
Iraq war along with the Republicans…is this about
It’s ok to send our kids off to be maimed, mangled, or killed with your dime, but never, NEVER to help the poor. Good grief!]
That is why the leaders in the countries who have nationalized health care (or socialized medicine) come to
[OK, name them.
< Abdul Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of the largest and most powerful Shiite party in Iraq, Belinda Stronach – A Canadian politician, Silvio Berlusconi – Former Prime Minister of Italy – Just to name a few…this is not to mention the scores of people from the UK and Canada that have come here on their personal dime for treatment either!>
Then tell us how many Americans go to
Just because some mucky-mock leader knows a mucky-muck doctor, and comes here for a very specialized treatment, does not translate to “we have the best system in the world.” I know American doctors that go to other countries for certain treatments they can’t get here and/or don’t have to pay for there. Your statement is junk logic.]
When hospitals dump people in the streets without giving them care, those people and health care systems should be dealt with in an appropriate way by the law,…
[Agreed, and not one single insurance company has ever been charged,not one single 'desider' has ever been sent to jail, even when a child dies as a result, because you and your brethren want a system that does this with regularity…you support the inequality of the system…you put it in writing…you seem to believe you are a superior being and deserve more and better health than your inferiors; IT’S YOUR sticky, stinky DIME!]
…however many of those stories are stretched and inflamed by liberals in an effort to push forward their agendas.
[HERE’S A FACT: Nobody's dieing from my agenda.
Patients, both uninsured and underinsured, are routinely dumped across this nation. Nothing stretched or inflamed about it.
Just one it too many. These dumpings are documented. They are real.
You are a paid pundit. What is your number? You tell me what the real number is. What number is OK with you? Would you approve of a maximum of say 1,000 a month…1,000 people turned out to worsen or die to insure that your dime isn’t wasted on them?
May you be eternally crushed under your dimes.
By the way, it seems you are willing to make any unsubstantiated statements to support you agenda. The difference between your agenda and mine is, that you don’t seem to care who lives and dies, and I would like as many of us Americans as possible, to healthfully live the American way…exploring “the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The differences in us are in your pretense to Compasionate Conservativism, and me and my ‘liberal friends’ having actual compassion.]
It is not my or anyone else's fault that some people cannot afford health care,…
[FAULT? You fools and your need for fault finding. It is nothing less than immature thought, schoolyard logic.
Mature, logical people do not waste precious time finding fault.
Socially and morally equipped people look for solutions. Finding fault solves nothing. Just stick your thumbs in your ears and wiggle your fingers, chanting “nanner, nanner, nanneeeer…it’s your fault and I’m gonna’ tell Mommy!!...or my HMO”
Act your age instead of your shoe size.]
…and though things should be done to make it more affordable, it is not my or anyone else's responsibility to provide health care for others with the money that I work hard to earn. That is socialism, not a free democratic nation.
[More about your sanctimonious fear mongering about Socialism later; but based on this dumb idea, why the heck is it your employer’s responsibility to give you sick leave, to give you health benefits at all?
Go ahead, tell them you don’t want their stinking paid vacation, it’s their dime, they should keep it. And tell them to rip out the sprinkler system and smoke detectors; if there’s a fire, you’ll get yourself out or die trying. Why should they do that for you?
Once again, you have shown your ignorance, and reached in far left field to try and prove your point, which you did not do!>
I’ll tell you why; because safety and labor have been socialized since before your parents were born. Without these social laws, your employer would not bother with sprinklers and safety exits and would simply lock you in…comes a fire you die!
Don’t lie that they wouldn’t do this, because that is exactly what they DID do, along with employing small children in terrifying jobs, firing people for loosing a limb in their unsafe machinery, and more horrors than you can imagine…they did this under the guise of pure Capitalism until the socialist laws we enacted stopped them.
Do you smoke at your desk in your office building? Those socialist bastards put a stop to that, damn them!
You would have to be a complete idiot if you can’t see that 90% of everything around you, 90% of everything you do and enjoy, is the direct result of a socialist law or system.]
I would say 90% of the things that I do not enjoy are thanks to those socialistic programs, but I am glad you know me so well. Who is government to tell me, a free individual, what I can and cannot do, how I can and cannot spend my money, etc? They do not have the right, unless it interferes with the rights of another individual. People like you are too easily trying to give them that control.
I suppose you think that John Doe who spends the day sitting on his mom's couch eating junk food and making his body unhealthy, working a part time job with a GED because he is lazy and would rather sit on his mom's couch and eat junk food all day deserves the same health care benefits as I do,…
[Of course he does. Who the hell gave you superior human being status? You got a job, so God loves you better? Kill off the stupid to clean up the gene pool?
John Doe may be lazy, dumb, incompetent, or simply incapable, but he does deserve to be protected from fire and murder and bad traffic management, just like you. So why not health?
Do you want graduated health insurance? The really rich guy’s Mom should get the kidney before your Mom, no matter what the recipient list sequence is?
Just where do you draw this line base on greed and wealth?]
…someone who worked hard to get an education,…
[You assume everyone has the same capacities; that we are all born equally smart, with the same physical strengths, that we all can succeed and be the boss, be wealthy, be able share human compassion and dignity; but you are living prove that we are NOT all equal, apparently being devoid of latter.]
…has worked hard to succeed in my career…
[HERE’S A FACT: There are working poor out there that work harder, and for longer hours, that you ever have or will.
You are a privileged white man who thinks that it’s such a terrible struggle to stagger to your computer and type all day.
Have you ever dug a ditch for minimum wage to support a family? Yes or No.]
…who will work two jobs if need be to provide for my family,…
[Why should someone have to work two jobs to protect their family’s health? Should they have to work two jobs to send their kid to grammar school too? Should they work two jobs to pay off the fire department so they won’t burn alive?]
Health Insurance is not a right; therefore if it requires a second job, then it requires a second job. Only a lazy man would disagree!>
…and will do what it takes to succeed in life,…
[Many people are out there, millions of them, all real hardworking Americans, do what they can to SURVIVE.
The American who gets up at four in the morning to work two jobs while his wife works two others, while Grandma sits the kids…he is your superior, he is the one that deserves BETTER health insurance than you. His kids should be treated better than yours.
He is not superior. Nothing about what you said makes that hypothetical man superior…you think because someone works several jobs they are better than someone else? More deserving? I think not.
I assume that you were one of the ones that praise the rebate checks from the government? Take from the upper class to give to the lower class. Re-distribution…socialism!
You want a healthcare system base on class and wealth? Well, you got it. That’s what we have right now. Greed and self-interest seem to be your only arguments.]
Insurance sees no class or color. If you pay their premium they will cover you. It is no different than any other service.
Why don’t you start demanding free cable service, free high speed internet, free cleaning at the laundry mat, free gasoline, heck maybe a free car…I mean the list could go on and on of all the things that people could demand because someone else has them, but to be ‘equal’ we all should have them, right?
...who has a strong work ethic and does what is possible to remain healthy?
[That’s just projection. In psychology, it’s the unconscious ascription of a personal thought, feeling, or impulse, especially one considered undesirable, to somebody else. You think this way because you consider yourself to be a regular person, and you know that you would bum-out on the couch and rip off the system if given a chance, so why not assume everybody is just like you? Well unless, of course, you believe yourself to superior to millions of other Americans, and only THEY would do this.
I would assume that if at least 50% of all Americans got their priorities in order, they could afford health insurance. >
People who, by default, do not trust other people, do so because they know, at their core, they themselves are untrustworthy, so then they naturally expect everybody else be the same way.
HERE’S A FACT: Over half of all bankruptcies in the
Did your study show how many of those accrued debt for things such as botox, plastic surgery, or breast implants? How many of them were for self improvement and then a bankruptcy was filed so the huge medical bill (which would never have been covered by their insurance company) did not have to be paid? Chapter 11 would have covered such erroneous debts up until a couple of years ago when the rules were changed, people were running up personal debt for such things and then immediately filing for bankruptcy.
Bankruptcy is not always a last resort. Many people use this to avoid personal responsibility, or to maintain their comfortable lifestyle. Growing up, my parents accrued medical bills from not having insurance at all times, it took them years to pay off, but they did it because it was the honorable and right thing to do, they had the option of filing for bankruptcy, but didn’t do it.
It is not my fault that our society teaches that anyone can work as much or as little as they want and that everyone deserves the same benefits...that is wrong!
[Why is it wrong? No matter how hard or little John Doe works, doesn’t he deserve equal rights to the use of the roads? Do his kids deserve equal schooling? Does his wife and family deserve equal protection from murder, theft and trespass?
Is your life worth more than his because you have a better job and more money? Astounding arrogance!]
I know a man who works a second job just to provide health insurance to his family,…
[You say this like it’s a good thing; like it’s a privilege to die younger doing it? That’s what you want for him? You don’t care that he loses time with his family; that he looses years of his life? You think that’s a great idea and the right thing?
You don’t care that after slaving away to get this ‘insurance’ that he WILL be denied medical treatment when he needs it the most if the insurance company can find even the tiniest excuse to deny it.
HERE’S A FACT: My girlfriend’s daughter came of age and was dropped from her mother’s insurance, so her mother paid an extra $1,200 to extend her COBRA to cover her.
The daughter had an emergency tonsillectomy during this COBRA period, which the $1,200 policy only covered partially (they seemed to be claiming that the tonsils were a pre-existing condition waiting to happen.)
At home, a few days later, the girl’s sutures broke and she began to drown in her own blood. She was rushed back to the hospital. The $1,200 insurance, still to this day from 2 years ago, refuses pay for the ambulance because it was not pre-approved, as well as for certain parts of the procedures that saved this girl’s life.
I demand you start asking anyone you know for horror stories. You will get more than you could ever have imagined.
Having insurance, whether it is a gift from your employer or you have a second job to pay for it means nothing.
The HMO’s have people and departments dedicated to find any flaw in your medical history to deny you service, even if your life is on the line.
When did greed and money become your faith and God?]
...others could to if it were a priority, yet they will go out and by cell phones, they'll gamble in the lottery, they'll eat out every meal, and they'll take nice vacations, they can afford their bear and liquor and their daily cigarette habit, yet they scream they cannot afford health care. Its because health insurance is not a priority,…
[It’s because health insurance is not affordable; it can cost over half a month’s salary for the poor, that’s before they have to skip the meals and try to pay rent.
Of course, many of these folks couldn’t get medical insurance even if they have the money. Many of them are denied insurance because of past medical history…or their parent’s medical history!
I am part of that. I had employer-provided insurance, had cardio-vascular treatments, lost my job and now, as self employed, no insurance company will sell me a policy at any price based on my history.
I assure you, my health is a priority for me and my child...for as little as you could care.]
…and the democrats persuade them to believe it is a right and to demand that they have everyone's taxes redistributed to provide this benefit.
[What pesuasion? I'm just looking at the facts and my own, real world experience in this mess of a system you are responsible for; responsible because you foist this misleading dialog on your readers.]
You dear sir or ma'am are wrong, and seriously misguided.
Apparently the democrats have you duped as well. Nationalized health care is nothing more than socialism and in some cases, such as Hillary Care, communism.
[SOCIALISM, socialism, socialism??? The biggest crock of ALL!! OOOO..nasty communist plots afoot! Waving the terror flag again...a Republican main-stay.
Let’s review. The police system, the County Sheriff systems, the State Police systems, the FBI, The CIA, the military system, the firefighter system, the prison system (well, in most states. It is being privatized, and now that it’s a money maker, incarcerations are way up), our highway system, our snow removal system, and our schools (not our colleges and universities though…too much money being made in that)…all of them, everything that keeps you alive, safe and happy, ALL OF THEM are socialist systems.
The Heroes of 911 were all employees of socialist systems.
You pay for all these things through taxes of all types, and they are all managed by the government.
Would you really prefer to pay out-of-pocket every time you drive down the road, or make use of a stop sign or stop light?
Do you want to pay out-of-pocket to have a policeman come and arrest me for watching your Mom choke on a chicken bone, then personally pay the DA, the Judge, the Jury, and the prison system out-of-pocket to punish me?
Raising the Horrors of Socialism is a baseless, stupid argument, a red herring; it is false and immoral. It shows the speakers weak character.
How you got your hard earned job writing for these folks is beyond me.
HERE IS THE MARVEL OF THE AGES: It is clear you have no understanding of the definitions of Democracy, Capitalism, or Socialism. You have no idea what socialism, communism, capitalism and democracy mean.
These words should be the tools of your trade, but you, through ignorance or intentional deception, bandy them about as if they were interchangeable.
Let me fix this for you and your readers.
DEMOCRACY: the free and equal right of every person to participate in a system of government, often practiced by electing representatives of the people by the majority of the people.
DEMOCRATIC NATION: a country with a government that has been elected freely and equally by all its citizens.
COMMUNISM: the political theory or system in which all property and wealth is owned in a classless society by all the members of that society.
CAPITALISM: an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and distribution of goods, characterized by a free competitive market and motivation by profit.
SOCIALISM: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles.
To put a very fine point on all of this; democracy (by the way, invented by the Ancient Greeks, a poly-theistic society that liked to watch their sports heroes perform in the nude, and had a pension for men-on-men stuff) is a purely political system and has nothing to do with the economic, business process of nation.
The theory is, if we don’t like our elected government, we can throw them out…now if only we could break the greed and intolerance that grips this nation…
Since, by definitions, we DO NOT have a purely capitalist system…who does own the roads, the schools, the PD and FD, the sewer systems and so-on…what BUSINESS/ECONOMIC system do we actually have?
By and large, we have a primarily socialist, sub-capitalist system.
Unless you are paying a toll on the road every 20 feet, you are using a social service every time you go to the store, or the hospital, for that matter.
For the past 100+ years, if we didn’t have a primarily socialist, sub-capitalist system, we would have to buy ‘insurance stickers’ from our PD, and our FD, and so on.
‘Insurance’ is the antithesis to the real American way. It is a bunch of people stepping into the middle of a process to ‘broker’ our health for their profit only. They DO NOT improve the system, they only delay, deny, and injure the entire system, while extracting huge fortunes from the pockets of the ‘insured.’ They create unnecessary paperwork to insure their profits.
Paperwork DOES NOT cure the sick and injured.
The entire process of insurance does nothing to make sure the ‘insured’ is getting all the care and treatment they need, or even paid for.
Supporting this privatized health insurance system we have will lead to your own slow, medically stretched death as all your hard-earned belongings are consumed by your bills.
Check your wonderful, expensive policy right now and read about the limits on payments for catastrophic illness.
No matter how healthy you live, you may wind up with cancer because there was a loophole in our socialist laws that your capitalist friends used to continue to produce some horrifying thing because, well, the money was good.]